Gateway LT2104u Netbook and Windows 7 Starter Edition – A Review by Apoc
It’s not often I find myself writing reviews for products, but every now and then, something comes along that just screams for my attention.
This Valentines day, I was fortunate enough to have a loving gift of a netbook bestowed upon me by my beloved fiancee. In fact, I was even able to pick out my own, along with a RAM upgrade. Sweet deal!
My first impressions over the first couple of days were mixed. I never had to deal with it being really bad on speed because when we picked out our netbooks from Best Buy, we were smart enough to pick up 2GB of ram each, which was installed the second I opened this thing.
I picked this one out of the bunch at the store, because after spending an hour tinkering around with all the netbooks on display, this one was determined to have the best Windows Experience Index, which strangely enough, did not improve after doubling the ram. Oh well, yet I digress.
The speed is acceptable for a netbook, and works just fine most of the time. It tends to run cool most of the time, and the battery life is more than acceptable. It comes with 802.11n wifi, which makes surfing the net quite a pleasant experience, as should be expected from a NETbook. I only had one real gripe from the beginning… the complete lack of Windows XP.
Instead, all the new netbooks at Best Buy now come with Windows 7 Starter preinstalled. This is why I am writing this review. I must warn the general public, and speak my outrage. Listen carefully now.
Windows 7 starter SUCKS.
It is horrible. I can’t even call it an operating system. Seriously, Microsoft, fuck you.
Why on Gods green earth would you make it a limitation on Windows 7 starter that you CAN NOT change the wallpaper of all things? What the FUCK? Seriously? If I could give a grade lower than F for an operating system, this one would win it. I’m serious. It is that bad.
Unfortunately, things get worse from there. After spending roughly 14 hours trying to figure out how to get a Windows XP install onto a usb thumb drive and making it boot, I finally got Windows XP pro on this thing. Only problem was, it was missing the drivers for video and sound. That kind of tends to be a big deal, so I logged into the support site for Gateway computers to download new drivers, and what do you think I found? They only provided drivers for Windows 7. For a laptop that I knew for a fact ran XP up until about a month or so ago.
I contacted Gateway customer support via email, and 6 hours later, the only response I had was a support representative asking me where I acquired my windows xp disk from.
I was pretty upset at this point (no, fuck upset, I was raging) and responded to the rep that my source of windows xp was completely irrelevant to them sending me a link to download some drivers for the laptop I JUST bought from them. A couple hours later I heard back and they basically refused to provide me with drivers, even after I told them if I didn’t get them I was going to return the netbook for a refund.
I will not be buying from Gateway again. The worst part of the experience? The preinstalled recovery partition is corrupt and doesn’t work, so I’m pretty much on my own there.
I don’t recommend purchasing this netbook for anyone who isn’t very tech savvy, and very patient. It will drive them nuts. But I suppose if someone is willing to just accept the limitations of windows 7 starter, and just use it as-is, it’s a fine product.
Read between the lines: The hardware is good, but the operating system and the customer support are horrible.
So this one gets a big middle finger to both Microsoft (especially them) and Gateway. Learn the lesson. Don’t put such hefty restrictions on an already expensive product, and if somebody asks you for help with the $300+ product you just bought 2 days ago, GIVE IT TO THEM.
Fortunately for me, I am tech savvy, and I did have the patience, and I finally did manage to track down windows xp drivers from, of all places, the hardware manufacturer’s web sites, Gateway, how hard would it have been to just send me there?
Note: I will be posting another article later explaining just HOW to get Windows XP on a thumb drive, get it installed on your netbook, and will provide the drivers needed for this one on my web site, just so all of you don’t have to spend hours hunting it all down too. Unfortunately, tools like PeToUSB did not work for me, and I expect many others to encounter the same problems.
UPDATE! Tutorial for installing Windows XP on this laptop
Ok, so this turned out to be a rather popular article, if the page hits and comments are any indication! Now for me to make good on my word and provide a step-by-step for everyone else to follow.
Step 1
You need a copy of Windows XP, and I recommend searching torrent sites for a Windows XP Black Edition release, since they are well put together and clean, and is what I used for this netbook. They are basically an n-Lite version prepackaged with some good freeware utilities.
Step 2
There is no need to mount the .iso using Daemon Tools or any other program. Simply use WinRar or any other compatible archiving program to extract the contents of the disc on to your drive.
Step 3
Download WinSetupFromUSB and install it.
Step 4
Run WinSetupFromUSB, and it should look like this:
Step 5
Under Windows 2000/XP/2003 Source, select the folder that your windows install cd (i386, etc) is located in. (The folder you extracted the .iso to)
Step 6
Select the target USB thumb drive. I picked up a PNY 4GB thumb drive from Wal-Mart for about $12, but anything with 2GB or better will work fine. Note: It may or may not be necessary to format the thumb drive as FAT using Windows prior to this. Usually, the RMPrepUSB button will format the thumb drive just fine.
Step 7
Click GO! This process can take a while, depending on your hardware. Do not interrupt it or remove the drive at any time during this process.
Step 8
Enter the BIOS of the netbook, and be sure it is set to boot from USB. Mine was already automatically set to this, so odds are good yours will be too.
Step 9
Insert the thumb drive into your netbook with it powered off, and turned it on. You should see a “press any key to boot from CD” option or something similar.
Step 10
Proceed as normal with XP installation. In some cases, you may not be able to install to the C:\ drive. This is OK and will not impact anything. Sometimes the default restore partition will insist on being the C:\ drive, just create a new partition, and format as NTFS, then install to the new partition.
Step 11
The first part of the XP install will finish, and the computer will reboot. There is no need to press any key on boot this time, but DO NOT REMOVE the thumb drive yet. If you do, you can cause serious problems. Instead you will be presented with a special menu provided by WinSetupFromUSB, providing about 5 or 6 options to pick from. Start at the top option, and press enter. These options are presented because of the variable “accidents” that can happen from this sort of hack. If the first one does not work, reboot again, and select the second, and so forth. The 3rd option worked great for me.
Step 12
Let XP finish it’s install, and then you just need to track down the drivers. Gateway, unfortunately, is no help at all in this department. Simply open device manager, and go to the vendor web sites for the hardware, and download the updates yourself. Windows update might be able to grab some for you too. I recommend grabbing the Intel On-board Video drivers first, since it will make things easier.
DON’T PANIC
Assuming you use this method on the Gateway LT2104u, using the Windows XP Black install, you will have wireless and LAN drivers, and pretty much all the stuff you will need to be able to get the other drivers off the internet. If I can track down where I backed mine up, I will zip them up and post them here for download later.
Step 13
Enjoy Windows XP on your new netbook! It runs much better than Windows 7 Starter does, and can probably run more apps.
Notes: This tutorial is not entirely specific to the Gateway LT2104u, and should work on most computers, as well as desktops. If this is too much for you, your other option is to buy a usb cd drive (I got a cd-r/w drive on ebay for $20 with shipping) and proceed to install Windows as normal.
I hope this helps!
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about 6 months ago
I anxiously await your update that will let me know how to “downgrade” to XP. My wife just flipped when she found out that she couldn’t change the background image and then found out about all the other restrictions of 7 basic.
about 6 months ago
I actually forgot about updating for this! I’ll be sure to get that article written soon for you.
about 5 months ago
Apoc, I bought this computer and I also hate windows 7 starter. I am quite a tech savvy too. The fact is that I do not dare to install xp because I am afraid the restore partition is corrupt too!!. Could you please please, send me an email about the procedure to get everything working after installing xp or send me a link with the article you’ll post? I really really need this info. Thanks a lot.
about 5 months ago
Did you ever sort this out? I’m trying to do the exact same thing with little luck.
tia
about 5 months ago
I intend to write up the tutorial today!
about 5 months ago
Thank you!
about 5 months ago
No problem, let me know how it works out for you!
about 4 months ago
Wow, great job! I’ve been thinking about purchasing this but was hesitant about the Starter edition.
Couple of questions that might help others too:
–Could you please describe what exactly you do with Winrar and the iso?
–Instead of using a portable cdrom, could you mount the XP iso on a usb thumb or do you have to extract it?
–Could you mount the iso/extract it on a usb external hard drive?
Thanks for your help and once again you have made a great post.
about 4 months ago
Could you please describe what exactly you do with Winrar and the iso?
Certainly. Simply right click the iso and extract the contents to a folder of your choosing.
Instead of using a portable cdrom, could you mount the XP iso on a usb thumb or do you have to extract it?
It must be extracted to the usb and formatted to be bootable. That is the point of the tutorial. It can’t be mounted directly by the netbook hardware because software is required to do that.
Could you mount the iso/extract it on a usb external hard drive?
Yes you could do this, but you would still need the follow these instructions to make that usb drive bootable.
about 4 months ago
Thanks for the replies! (I get it now) Once again it’s a great post and helps a a lot. Kudos!
about 4 months ago
Apoc, I’ve already downgraded my GW LT2104u’s OS to XP Pro following a process very close to yours. The issue I’m having is locating the drivers. Do you have them posted anywhere? Also I have ethernet connectivity, but the wifi jsut won’t pick up any signals.
about 4 months ago
You’re in luck, friend! I recently upgraded my LT2104u to Windows 7 Ultimate, which is WAY better in my opinion. When I went to grab new drivers, I saw that Gateway had heeded my advice, and now provides XP driver downloads for this model. Go check again, it’s there!
about 4 months ago
Too funny! I just did the same but went online to grab the drivers from GW, but none of them worked. I even tried tech support and their response “We are unable to work w/ retail version of the OS, but can refer us to the paid tech support to resolve the issue.”
Were you able to get the drivers to work? Wireless is now non functioning even with drivers and video display is crap. I assume you fared better?
about 4 months ago
In that case, make a list of all your hardware, by manufacturer and model number, and start googling. That’s what I had to do and I ended up with a flawless updated driver collection. Good luck.
about 3 months ago
So i’ve done everything but there is no correct graphics driver for this Netbook. The resolutin will not go bigger then 800 X 600. If you know of an existing one, place link here. The one offered on GW is for Windows 7 only. No XP video driver offered!!!!
about 3 months ago
Go to the Intel web site, they have a browser plugin to automatically detect your hardware. There is one for the chipset (read: onboard video) and one for graphics cards. Try them both, but the chipset tool should direct you to the right driver.
about 3 months ago
Out of curiosity why continue to suffer using windows operating systems? Ubuntu 10.04 LTS works perfectly right out of the box with all hardware on my GW LT2104u. No need to hunt for drivers to get all of your hardware working. Just something to think about for those not happy with windows 7 or windows anything.
about 3 months ago
Unfortunately, I tried Ubuntu first on my netbook. At the time, only 9.04 was available, and it did not work. Not well anyway. It dropped my wi-fi connection every few seconds, and had a kernel panic within a minute of booting. I was never able to get any updates either.
I am an advocate of Ubuntu, but they still have a long way to come yet. And some of us just have to have our native Windows apps, and Wine isn’t perfect, as you well know. Perhaps one day I may give a newer version of the netbook remix a go, but for now, Windows will have to do.
about 3 months ago
Man, thats a hell of a lot of work just to be able to change the wall paper.
Here – you CAN change the wall paper on Windows 7 starter.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Windows-7-Starter-Easy-way-to-change-wallpaper/
about 3 months ago
There are many more limitations than that on windows 7 sadly…
about 3 months ago
All you have to do is install virtual pc 2007, which is free. Then install windows XP pro as a virtual drive and you can have both Windows 7 starter and Windows XP pro on one computer. Then we don’t have to listen to the fucking whiner who started this blog.
about 3 months ago
Iggy, most of these netbooks come with only 1GB of ram installed. Have you ever tried running Windows 7/Vista on less than a gig of ram after allocating some to a virtual machine? They are slow enough as is without being raped for resources. Learn more before you call people whiners. Better yet, go buy this netbook and try using Windows 7 Starter edition for a while, then come back and complain to me.
about 2 months ago
hi, when will you update and share your xp drivers? thanx.
about 2 months ago
There is no longer a need for this, because Gateway apparently read my blog, and now provides XP driver downloads direct from their site. Simply enter the serial number from the laptop to get them!
about 2 months ago
For anyone who might be curious, I just tossed in a 10.04 32-bit ubuntu (non-netbook remix) disc and it booted right up, perfectly. Installed without problems, and the battery life on the little booger is INSANE. Back to using ubuntu, no problems with apps, everything is VERY responsive, and not near as slow as I saw out of win 7 starter.
Everything worked after installing ubuntu EXCEPT for the card reader, and the mic. I unfortunately didn’t check these before wiping my machine, so there’s no way of telling whether this is ubuntu, or my hardware. Just bear in mind that those to items may not work without some fiddling, should you choose to install ubuntu (even with most recent updates).
Good Luck! I’m switching to XP, and if things don’t work there, win 7. We’ll just have to see…
about 2 months ago
AAaahh… I checked and no they don’t. They only provide drivers for the mouse. Trust me, I’ve checked and have read your blog. But my biggest concern is a driver for the processor. Windows XP does not recognizes the processor and in return. I think my computer is unbelievably HOT all the time. Any suggestions?
I hope windows rot in hell for making 7 starter~ I’m actually considering putting mac OSX on it… but if you guys can give me an answer, it’ll be great. Thanks
about 2 months ago
Ouch, well, I’m sorry but I don’t have this netbook any more. I got tired of the laggy Atom CPU which had no excuse for being as slow as it was to scroll down a web page no matter what OS I was running. I sold it, and bought an iPad. Totally worth it.
about 2 months ago
I actually went back and didn’t try XP. I just installed Win 7 Pro 64-bit (yes, it IS a 64-bit processor), and for a netbook, it works like a dream. I’ve streamed videos over my network WITHOUT the processor struggling to keep up with displaying them, and I’ve used it as a game server for an FPS. That only idles it at 50% or so, which is VERY GOOD for a single core processor at merely 1.6 GHZ (It is dual threaded, which helps a little, but not near as much as if it were dual core) I’ve personally never experienced it running slow, and everything works fine under 64-bit. Windows update can track down all of the correct drivers except for the card reader, but those drivers aren’t hard at all to find.
about 1 month ago
i am thinking of getin this netbook an i have read a bunch of reviews and this is the most Entertaining and most fun to read that I have come a cross this just made my day thanks
about 1 month ago
Hi… it´s a shame (for me of course) that you sold it… Anyway… don’t you remember how to get the display’s drivers… I got all the drivers except those ones…
Thank you and enjoy your iPad…
about 1 month ago
If memory serves correctly, I actually went to Intel’s web site and ran the detection tool. There are actually a few, so if one fails you, try the next. Sadly, this must be done in Internet Explorer. Be sure to allow ActiveX controls!
about 1 month ago
Don’t know what all the whining is about. Win7 starter is fine- works fine- no probs or limitations at all. There are tiny free apps to change wallpaper. weak ass post- esp as your biggest, err ONLY gripe is frigging wallpaper. Maybe Win7 pro 64bit and others work faster but for $269 I am perfectly satisfied with W7 starter.
about 1 month ago
Windows 7 Starter does not include:
* Aero Glass, meaning you can only use the Windows Basic or other opaque themes. It also means you do not get Taskbar Previews or Aero Peek.
* Personalization features for changing desktop backgrounds, window colors, or sound schemes.
* The ability to switch between users without having to log off.
* 64 bit version
* Multi-monitor support.
* DVD playback.
* Windows Media Center for watching recorded TV or other media.
* Remote Media Streaming for streaming your music, videos, and recorded TV from your home computer.
* Domain support for business customers.
* XP Mode for those that want the ability to run older Windows XP programs on Windows 7.
* Hard-coded limitation on how many foreground apps can be run at one time.
Starter is a complete disgrace to computer operating systems and XP has more/better features then the crippled Windows 7 Starter. OEM’s are putting Starter on all their netbooks because it reduces their cost. Some people think it’s because netbooks can’t handle higher editions – that is not true, if it can run Starter it can run Ultimate (although some can’t do all the features, like Aero).
about 3 weeks ago
I have been using my LT2104 as my primary computer, over two months. You get what you pay for but once in a while a great value floats to the surface and this Gateway proves it. The audio is pretty bad and as noted by other reviewers the little jewel hardly features leading edge performance but if you can hook one for less than $350 its a steal for rudimentary applications…email, surfing the net, amazon-shopping. Excellent wireless performance and good battery life (getting around 5-6 hours). I still hate Microsoft but Windows-7 doesn’t suck too bad so the whole purchase has been positive. Strongly recommended. Volkan Akkurt.
There is one peroblem/question I have: I have not been able to disable the pop up for the video web menu bar. I can move it to top, left or right and each time I move the cursor to that area, it pops us. How can I get eliminate this?